How did Microsoft screw this up? - Surface Pro X (SQ2) vs M1 Macbook Air

5 ian. 2021
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Windows on Arm laptops have been out for years now - so how does Microsoft's flagship Arm device, the Surface Pro X SQ2, measure up to Apple's arm-powered M1 Macbook Air?
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Comentarii
  • so, this is just a 10 minutes add for apple.

    Willian GomesWillian GomesAcum oră
  • The Problem is not .. that Qualcom suck... its just windows is shit... :|

    NiemandNiemandAcum 9 ore
  • Intel be like I will strike back With an Internet Explorer of speed

    NiemandNiemandAcum 9 ore
  • intels goanna go down

    NXTLVL IceirioNXTLVL IceirioAcum 10 ore
  • I still have a Original Surface RT with touch cover and really like it. Sure it only has 30gb of internal storage that needs to be 50% empty to ensure it runs at a usable speed but for file management and doing actual work it's a million times better than any Ipad or Android tablet I've used. If I want to consume content or play candy crush (which I don't) I'll just do it on my phone, for actual work it's far easier to use than the Ipad I have to use at work everyday.

    MegaGouchMegaGouchAcum 12 ore
  • This is why I bought the Surface Pro 7 instead. It has an Intel i5 processor instead of ARM. And it was much cheaper - less than $1000 from BestBuy including the pen, keyboard, etc..

    Eric BrunstadEric BrunstadAcum 19 ore
  • Now, I love Apple M1, but I need ( :-(( ) to use Windows to work. So I try to see under the dust: with a Pro X I can signature or write a document (very well), I have a PC always online (LTE inside), and a second storage SSD disk that I can remove instantly everytime I need.. Not bad. I can't figure out the benchmarks as well. But I love OsX PS: sorry for my bad english

    meledocmeledocAcum 20 ore
  • Even if I am a hardcore Windows fan , I am very excited over Apple's M1 performance as it has already lit a massive fire under Intel's and Microsoft's bum. This is only good for ditching heat churning, electricity chugging x86 cpus in the future

    MGoolasMGoolasAcum 22 ore
  • Apple is amazing.

    WRWRAcum o Zi
  • Reading the comments, where did all the Mac Haters go?

    MyImListMyImListAcum o Zi
  • That thing on your head was ok for a video or two but, dude, you're way too old for the Skater Dude thing.

    John SmithJohn SmithAcum o Zi
  • 7:22 no fucking way!!!! ahahahahaAHAHAHahahahAHAHHAHAhahah lol

    blondizblondizAcum 2 Zile
  • Surface Pro X has been out for quite some time now and still no or very limited support for x64 apps. You have to imagine that if M1 MacBooks have not been released Microsoft are still not gonna work their ass off on their Arm based device and software lol

    SkrirrexSkrirrexAcum 2 Zile
  • Where is linus

    Atasi PatnaikAtasi PatnaikAcum 2 Zile
  • Got the M1 MBA the day it went onsale. Absolutely love it. After years of inflated claims by Apple about performance this one actually lives up to and in some ways surpasses those claims. Pretty great. MY first Mac since the iMac G5.

    Dean KrouseDean KrouseAcum 2 Zile
  • I was excited about Apple announced that they would make in-house processors for Macs, since their iPhones have had a history of being more powerful than flagship Androids, even at half the RAM.

    Jo Seph GDJo Seph GDAcum 2 Zile
  • So Apple's base Mac embarrassed Microsoft, Intel, and Qualcomm. Will its pro Macs be a bloodletting?

    samgodsamgodAcum 2 Zile
  • Well, of course that's slow either way, but to be strict: at 6:03 you finally compared native Cinebench on Mac M1 to emulated x64 on SQ2, nope? Or is there native ARM64 Cinebench?

    OYeahanOYeahanAcum 3 Zile
  • I have never held a Surface device in my hands that wasn't an overpriced PoS.

    LucasLucasAcum 3 Zile
    • I’ve had one of the eariy versions that felt like you were kicking a dead whale down the beach. They even had a Windows 8R version that was ‘Windows Lite’ for the non-pro user. It was pretty much dead on arrival because you couldn’t do anything serious with it.

      Howard TreesongHoward TreesongAcum o Zi
  • Yikes QEMU emulation killing native Windows on ARM. Color me impressed. Still won't buy it because it can't support current developer workloads but it's a good showing for ARM.

    Pieter RossouwPieter RossouwAcum 3 Zile
  • Everybody gangsta till nintendo joins the arm revolution

    itsmeft24itsmeft24Acum 3 Zile
  • Maby microsoft should give apple a license and we should get a Boot Camp reboot on the M1 macs!

    Bram vandenbroeckBram vandenbroeckAcum 3 Zile
  • Please let us download this MacOs Linus wallpaper

    laenlaenAcum 3 Zile
  • Microsoft needs to focus on software and forget hardware. They just got taken to the wood shed. Windows is a mess and so outdated.

    James BuddJames BuddAcum 3 Zile
  • I want to have that background for Mac pls, where can I find it?

    Ben SchönhardtBen SchönhardtAcum 3 Zile
  • Microsoft screwed up surface from the start by creating slow crappy products. Apple does it right by making their products around $1000 so that any of their products will perform decently.

    Robert IvanRobert IvanAcum 3 Zile
  • Time to open up NT at least...

    gpturismogpturismoAcum 3 Zile
  • "sponsOr"

    somebrentdudesomebrentdudeAcum 3 Zile
  • Why does Linus always get everything wrong. iOS is running OSX, just watch the first keynote when Steve Jobs describes how they needed a desktop class operating system to achieve the performance/feature set they needed.

    xeong5xeong5Acum 3 Zile
  • “People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware”

    Matt RyuMatt RyuAcum 4 Zile
    • Alan K

      shubi454shubi454Acum 3 Zile
  • Being a tech enthusiast and buying anything other than Apple hahahaha

    Daniel VillanuevaDaniel VillanuevaAcum 4 Zile
  • Until arm is fully capable I'm gonna stick with the i5 pro 7

    X314X314Acum 4 Zile
  • Fool of a Took!

    abe klineabe klineAcum 4 Zile
  • Windows OS and application need serious diet

    Nik Muhd Hafiz HarunNik Muhd Hafiz HarunAcum 4 Zile
  • the anti-Apple people are very quiet after this video

    Marko Velimir KobakMarko Velimir KobakAcum 4 Zile
  • Windows on arm user here. Not even an 8cx laptop, just a snapdragon 850. I bought my device used for 300 and even emulated it runs equally as well if not better than the more expensive (albeit admittedly new instead of used) surface go. I consider that a win in my book. It's not the processor that's the problem, it's the price. One more example of how Linus is a little out of touch if he thinks current windows arm devices aren't useful for anything other than web browsing. They're not optimal, sure, but they're plenty capable, just not worth $1000 yet.

    Delstrom2Delstrom2Acum 4 Zile
  • WTF is it with guys wearing beanie caps all the time? Stop it.

    ZManZManAcum 4 Zile
  • Google hates Windows on ARM.

    Pepe ContrerasPepe ContrerasAcum 5 Zile
  • microsoft is always to early to the parties or they partner with the wrong..

    StepUpYourGameStepUpYourGameAcum 5 Zile
  • Ooof. Poor Microsoft 😬 this was brutal

    Alexa CannonAlexa CannonAcum 5 Zile
  • 07:22 this is gonna bruise 😂😂😂🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

    Yatinder SinghYatinder SinghAcum 5 Zile
  • Intel deserves this mass exodus of manufacturers abandoning their platform. This is what happens when you gate keep big generational improvements from happening naturally, just to fill your pockets: the market goes around you and leaves you crying in the rearview mirror.

    Old RevolverOld RevolverAcum 5 Zile
  • Did anyone try touch or pen on the Apple M1? It seems to work well on the Pro X but no reports on the M1 pen performance.

    Ray RocheRay RocheAcum 5 Zile
    • Sorry, the M1 does not offer pen input at all, so that comparison is unfair. And the keyboard does not detach so the M1 is a laptop only and the Pro X is a two-in-one with pen computing. Not really comparing apples with apples are we?

      Ray RocheRay RocheAcum 5 Zile
  • 0:20 Windows CE?

    omfgbunder2008omfgbunder2008Acum 5 Zile
  • running windows vm in a mac always felt pretty smooth.

    Somedude.Somedude.Acum 5 Zile
  • I Estimate that Qualcom, when they work together with MS they will be at the Power/Performance level where Apple is now in about 2-3 years. By then Apple will have their M3 and M3x SOC's Since Apple gains single core performance by about 20% each generation on the A series, single core performance will be 44% faster with the M3. Intel is in trouble.

    Beaglefreilauf KalkarBeaglefreilauf KalkarAcum 6 Zile
  • Because Microsoft believe it's still the mid nineties?

    Brearne GibsonBrearne GibsonAcum 6 Zile
  • In some parallel universe Apple device will be running windows better than Microsoft’s one.. wait a minute, what the hell!?

    oleg87sholeg87shAcum 6 Zile
  • in long term, the apple approach will fail, MS, Qualcomm, Nvdia and Co will win this market. but no worries, apple will be fine keeping milking their gullible users further. it's just won't be "domination" as it never was. they voluntarily choose to be a niche for those, who are ready to pay extras for a stupid logo. they might make this chip a standalone product, sell it and become a strong ARM vendor, but they chose to lock it down as much as possible. as result, all its spectacular performance becomes uninteresting - it's a black box, soon, it will so be overcome in performance by the competitors, but they will not be a "we make it all and you just get your money" thing, their things will be building blocks, just like in the x86 market, and we will see competition, in CPUs, motherboards, end user devices and even OSs, of course, if the tiny linux desktop share can be considered competitive. xD whereas this all-apple-only thing is really interesting for only apple fans in the end of the day. and the poor x86 emulation. pfff, come on! it is important at this early stage, but making of it a central point - is a heavy overestimation. why then bother with ARM at all if all you want is to run x86 binaries? let third parties refactor their user mode sh1t to not rely on the CPU, or just add the ARM support!

    valerij zaporogecivalerij zaporogeciAcum 6 Zile
  • Windows looks more professional

    Aby MathewAby MathewAcum 6 Zile
  • Windows is Stronger in desktops, in Laptops or tablets they Suck really bad.

    Cyberman86Cyberman86Acum 6 Zile
  • Hey I’m 12 And taller than Linus

    Adam yonasAdam yonasAcum 6 Zile
  • Microsoft is such an embarrassment.

    Bradley SimpsonBradley SimpsonAcum 6 Zile
  • Can we please mention how apples retina display looks a million times better as well?

    matt solesmatt solesAcum 6 Zile
  • You’re comparing a completed version (MacOS) to a BETA version ( Win10). Why do t you wait until the completed version of Win10 is available then do a comparison.

    Ronnie MaldonadoRonnie MaldonadoAcum 6 Zile
    • @npgoalkeeper _ the software is there. But like EVERYONE else they’re updating their OS but before they do, they’re releasing the DEVELOPER version to work out the bugs and other issues. The point I was making was that he’s comparing certain features that have been fully released on one OS to another that’s still in BETA. He should wait until the completed version is released to the public then compare the two.

      Ronnie MaldonadoRonnie MaldonadoAcum 5 Zile
    • I mean, why release a device at all if the software support isn't there

      npgoalkeeper _npgoalkeeper _Acum 6 Zile
  • What I would like to see is a version of Windows 10 ARM that could either dual boot, or even better yet run side by side with the macOS/UNIX ARM. This was done before, and can be done again.

    Brent SmithlineBrent SmithlineAcum 6 Zile
  • im waiting for the 64-core ARM Mac Pro cpu

    HudstoneHudstoneAcum 7 Zile
  • ** can kinda consider windows mobile as essentially windows 95 16bit on a mobile I believe; you could run a lot of the programs from winmo on pc:P

    plasmar1plasmar1Acum 7 Zile
  • Is x86 doomed?

    The WatcherThe WatcherAcum 7 Zile
  • 4:01 Looking like Watch Dogs lol

    a boddle88a boddle88Acum 7 Zile
  • I dont think MacBook Air can be compared to Pro X....they do not even have the same specs...as for the price..Microsoft always over charges things 😂

    Abhishek SharmaAbhishek SharmaAcum 7 Zile
  • I guess windows is officially behind macos now

    Marcus XeMarcus XeAcum 7 Zile
  • Short answer, SQ2 is a much weaker processor what exactly do you expect ? Next iteration will be different, they will probably use much more powerful arm based processors.

    Efficient EquilibriumEfficient EquilibriumAcum 7 Zile
  • WE LOVE LINUS!!!

    Techno PlaceTechno PlaceAcum 7 Zile
  • You missed the reason to love Surface Pro X - LTE unlimited tablet plans. Once Apple adds LTE, it better yet 5G, then they will have won the battle. The dual 4k displays os why IPad Pro can't compete with Surface Pro X.

    Steve RadichSteve RadichAcum 8 Zile
  • Intel for years gave us i3 and i5 models at same price as macbook air :(

    MashAllah Food SecretsMashAllah Food SecretsAcum 8 Zile
  • PANOS PANAY , CRYING IN THE CORNER! for releasing an overpriced office 365 focused garbage..that doesn't even have a keyboard!

    MashAllah Food SecretsMashAllah Food SecretsAcum 8 Zile
  • and for example, this have 2 years, "roones.info/news/rZh4qGyZzY98pno/video", the results are starting to be public. more to come .. :)

    pedro velosopedro velosoAcum 8 Zile
  • 8:02...... just 4 years late in development .. only that..kkkk (Microsoft is still a software house, they are allergic to hardware.. kk)

    pedro velosopedro velosoAcum 8 Zile
  • Congratulations to Apple btw.

    Rozely LindimRozely LindimAcum 8 Zile
  • The aggressive sing individually stretch because zebra problematically alert between a boundless hydrofoil. weary, special soil

    Richard RiveraRichard RiveraAcum 8 Zile
  • Great, but the comparison is not fair!! You shall compare Ipad pro x Surface pro X....

    Paulo TeixeiraPaulo TeixeiraAcum 8 Zile
  • You are testing it on a dev preview though, it's not even released, so I'm not that surprised it did so poorly. Although they should have been way ahead of Apple tbh...they've been working on it for almost a decade now.

    danielxmillerdanielxmillerAcum 8 Zile
  • Windows is just dreadful. I stopped using that junk years ago.

    IDanielIDanielAcum 8 Zile
  • I have never seen anyone suck Apple's dee so hard 😂

    Mario Fernando ReyesMario Fernando ReyesAcum 8 Zile
  • I didn't even realized the Surface Pro used an ARM processor.

    kirby march barcenakirby march barcenaAcum 8 Zile
  • Windows BSD: blue screen error. Still on 2021, Fuck you windows. Team.

    Muhammad HassanMuhammad HassanAcum 8 Zile
  • 3:21 you look great on your LTT store beanie ! 😍🤣🤣🤣 3:25 you are welcome

    Steph MSteph MAcum 8 Zile
  • Microsoft has continued to drag their feet and pussy foot around ARM, and that's why Apple is in the lead in terms of ARM machines. BOOK IT MICROSOFT! As for Intel... Same to you! Book it!

    Lasky LabsLasky LabsAcum 8 Zile
  • I would buy Surface tablet on Windows. But there is no any good to replace iPad Air 2. It has to be 4:3. It has to be thin, no more than 6,5 mm. It doesnt need to have stand. It has to use UFS memory, not laggy eMMC, edge touch protection, like iOS, relative good platform, with at least 2 high performance cores etc etc. And cost no more than $375-400.

    cothcothAcum 8 Zile
  • I guess it's safe to say that so far this hasn't been much of an ARMs race. 🙃 I'll see myself out.

    myCousinVennymyCousinVennyAcum 8 Zile
  • Does MacBook Air have touch screen and 1080p webcam?

    James PollockJames PollockAcum 8 Zile
  • 7:25 Hahahahahaha

    David VegaDavid VegaAcum 8 Zile
  • The surface pro line has been a good one for people on-the-go who want a tablet-laptop hybrid but it’s not gonna keep up like this. I have an old SP5 that has served me very well but I’m going to replace it soon because it can’t run the right CAD software well enough and I’m going elsewhere.

    SpetsnatzLegion 336SpetsnatzLegion 336Acum 8 Zile
  • nice Mac wallpaper, Linus

    RigaRiggleManRigaRiggleManAcum 8 Zile
  • I’d prefer the Mac any day, it works better and looks a lot better

    Daniel DuhonDaniel DuhonAcum 9 Zile
  • Not impressed by the cinebench values. My Ryzen Mobile Chip has the same performance as the M1 and I don't have to worry about compatibility issues. Maybe ARM will be interesting in a few years. And as always, desktop performance is far superior.

    roop90roop90Acum 9 Zile
  • Google is the reason Chrome for ARM hasn't been released on Windows yet. Qualcomm has been very interested in the PC market picking up their chips, so they worked together with manufacturers, Microsoft, and various developers to get applications running on their platform. Notably, they worked out all the kinks of running Chrome on Windows 10 ARM a long time ago, but some internal nonsense is keeping Google from publishing it. Edge works perfectly on Windows 10 ARM, and it's overarchingly the same codebase.

    Dojan5Dojan5Acum 9 Zile
  • IA32/x86 should have died 20 years ago. amd64/x64 should have never happened. Which is why IA64 is the Itanium line and not 64bit x86, and why Intel is using AMDs architecture for 64 bit. I say good riddance to bad garbage.

    nabeelrnabeelrAcum 9 Zile
  • Bea-nie (''''tuke'''')

    InservioInservioAcum 9 Zile
  • Microsoft doesn’t build the silicon themselves. It’s pretty clear that making your own chips have massive advantages 🤷🏻‍♂️

    Bearded BarnstormerBearded BarnstormerAcum 9 Zile
  • Just shows you the power of software I actually thought about picking one of the m1 laptops up. I have been using iPhones since the beginning but never owned a mac. I love gaming so its been pc for me and thats not gonna change. But the biggest downside to me is no discrete gpu. I want i laptop that’s really small had a metal frame and good battery and something like a 1650 super. I have 3 laptops now a 8750h 32gb’s ram, 1070, i5 7200u i use for school and a old dell precision m6500 with a i7 920xm and ati firepro gpu. I can’t get rid of the old thing its pretty much useless now but once it was a beast and its still in mint condition.

    Chad HayChad HayAcum 9 Zile
    • @Chad Hay dam

      AgwaliAgwaliAcum 6 Zile
    • @Agwali been thinking about picking up the new msi stealth with the i7 11375h and a 3060 max q or the acer predator triton se only difference is the 3060’s non max q. Just want a smaller laptop think their both 14in all metal frame and decent gaming performance. I think the mobile 3060 should have mobile 2070s performance. And while the new i7 is only 4 core 8 threads its ipc is improved and it can take a single core to 5ghz 2 to 4.6ghz and all 4 to 4.3ghz. They won’t be out until February or March though just seems like a nice little package for 1400-1500.

      Chad HayChad HayAcum 6 Zile
  • Me watching this on my Surface Pro X on Google Chrome... ಠ_ಠ

    Ethan StudentEthan StudentAcum 9 Zile
    • wait you can use google chrome on surface pro x??

      dashling 6dashling 6Acum 9 Zile
  • Lol

    Phyo LimPhyo LimAcum 9 Zile
  • looks like Microsoft needs to go for AMD

    JamieJamieAcum 10 Zile
  • Wouw.. Intel and Microsoft are playing and selling crap for years... Now people realised?

    John DoeJohn DoeAcum 10 Zile
  • So let me get this straight: No one bat an eye for Microsoft's ARM effort since 2017 but then everyone banks in to ARM business when Apple released the M1-powered Macs three years later. Great... more reason to hate Apple. 😒

    Faris HanafiahFaris HanafiahAcum 10 Zile
    • Simple difference really, microsofts arm was treated as a side project while apple basically said to developers you have a max of 2 years to transition to arm mac or youre f***ed. Which I’m all for.

      Dereck CastroDereck CastroAcum 9 Zile
    • I mean yea they had it since 2017. It’s just like saying a joke quietly class only to have a cooler kid repeat it and every one laughs.. apples delivery was just so much better lol. Those bench marks speak for itself. Not much progression since 2017

      Sixto LavalleSixto LavalleAcum 9 Zile
  • This really shows how in-house development like what Apple did can resulted in much better performance because the ecosystem is completely closed source. Microsoft, on the other hand, have to rely on third-party manufacturer to make the chipset and make sure that it work well with Windows 10 and... it's not always gone well.

    Farhan Ahmad TajuddinFarhan Ahmad TajuddinAcum 10 Zile
  • Off topic but that beard suits him well

    Izra-El KingIzra-El KingAcum 10 Zile
  • What I really like about Samsung Galaxy Book S, I can increase my storage on the fly by just sliding out the sim card tray no tool needed and popping in a microsd card up to 2T. Or hotswap one with my phone, without opening up my system too install a larger hard drive.

    Hybrid InfoDeskHybrid InfoDeskAcum 10 Zile
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