NVIDIA APOLOGIZED (sort of) - WAN Show December 18, 2020

18 dec. 2020
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Timestamps (Courtesy of Pizza Thyme Pizza FanClub)
1:25 intro
2:02 More on Hardware Unboxed getting denied cards.
2:40 Nvidia apologies sort of for hardware unboxed ceasing getting cards
4:43 Luke is unsure if Nvidia is apologizing to save face or is sincere
6:00 Summary of the "scandal" between hardware unboxed and Nvidia
8:55 Luke thinks that Nvidia is doing this bc they are saving face.
12:40 Linus is trying to get someone from Nvidia to talk to him.
14:30 Linus burning bridges with Nvidia and meme-ing on them.
16:45 This PR does not make very much sense for Nvidia.
19:00 Cyberpunk 2077 review
20:22 Cyberpunk pulled from Sony play store
21:35 CD Project Red reputation has been messed up
22:42 Sony pulling Cyberpunk from play store
23:15 Cyberpunk unplayable on last gen consoles
26:40 Devotion Pulled from Good Old Games with pressure from the CCP
26:52 Contained unflattering references to [Winnie the Pooh] relating to the Taiwan situation
28:09 GOG/Steam caved to CCP
29:20 Twitter might not be representative sample of gamers' thoughts
30:24 Different Mentality in China versus USA
36:09 A poll of live viewers' opinions finds that opinions have worsened about CD Project RED
37:54 Microsoft might start to make ARM designs?
38:45 Microsoft may become Microhard if they get into hardware
39:57 Sponsor spots
40:11 jumpcloud dot com
41:08 10% off at ridge dot com slash linus
41:45 Seasonic has good PSUs
42:45 Antitrust lawsuits
42:55 Allegedly Google Has a monopoly over ads
43:25 Allegedly Facebook has been buying competitors and has a monopoly
44:01 America Has not exercised the laws in a long time
45:37 Google and Facebook account for 54% of advertising
46:35 Linus does not like the privacy violations done by Google et al. and prefers his form of ads
47:12 LTTSTOREDOTCOM
48:10 Linus talking about parenting and children's literacy
51:10 Superchats
51:18 Airpods review question
51:26 Paying for refunded shirts
51:39 Dual shock "low latency"
52:35 The Mandela Effect
52:55 Outro
53:18 Dell insider follow up

Comentarii
  • Yup. dude was drunk when he sent that first email.

    Dunky GamerDunky GamerAcum 12 ore
  • I despise NVIDIA, they only Apologized because they got called out, Every NVIDIA GPU I have ever had was nothing but problems, last one was a 1050 TI (after giving NVIDIA one last chance,) The GPU was Falsely advertised as a 4 GB card, it wasn't it was 2 GB, drawing the other 2 GB from system ram, (a Re-branded 750TI) the card failed spectacularly. frying the Ram, and PCI/Processor Bridge. NVIDIA Did offer to replace the GPU. but their GPU fried the whole system so it was a moot point. So a defective $250 NVIDIA card cost over $650 to fix the damage it did That along with the box of failed NVIDIA GPUs I have. just doesn't add up to a quality product. I went all Team Red after that, and have never been happier.

    Annymous UserAnnymous UserAcum 3 Zile
  • leaving Netflix out would give FAAG which i don't think anybody would want

    HitchHitchAcum 3 Zile
  • Wtf does Luke even do anymore?????

    Todd scholefieldTodd scholefieldAcum 5 Zile
  • This is in regards to the Nvidia controversy. Where do I start...... In an effort to drum up subscribers and in an effort to show people that Nvidia doesn't just play nice with Nvidia shill's, Hardware Unboxed and Nvidia drummed up a controversy about Nvidia trying to strong arm your content. Their channel hadn't seen as much of a boom as other tech channels during the pandemic and Nvidia wanted their channel to be popular so they could use you review as one of their headlines for raytracing. To drum up a false controversy which plays on peoples emotions, which I now everyone else does, may be ingenious but extremely low. The proof is what happened after, their subscribers were stagnate compared to other ROonesr's and Nvidia was getting slammed in rasterization which HU made a big deal about and raytracing, which they mentioned once and would come in a follow up video about the 3080. Afterward the letter was leaked and more popular youtubers caught wind of it , they more then doubled their subscribers and Nvidia had the focus back on raytracing.

    Jason FesselJason FesselAcum 5 Zile
  • don't know if it matters any more but you may check email headers/properties: does the email left from the same pc?

    Christos GiannoulisChristos GiannoulisAcum 8 Zile
  • How dare they not give free shit to people who dump on them. Dorks.

    Tom PraytorTom PraytorAcum 11 Zile
  • I like seeing Linus showing emotion. I would love to spend a week as one of his employees.

    Cody NichiporikCody NichiporikAcum 11 Zile
  • In terms of MY refund on my pre-order of Cyberpunk 2077...I asked for a refund (purchased in June of 2019) at least a month and a half before the launch. It took them almost 40 days! to refund back to the payment portal I used originally, which was PayPal. And that was after MUCH effort on my part just keeping them on their toes with mandatory weekly emails to ask what was going on. Otherwise, I felt that when I didn't communicate with them, they just ignored me. This and other reasons have caused me to let them know that they have burned all the goodwill that they garnered in the past.

    RickbearcatRickbearcatAcum 12 Zile
  • If the Nvidia email that was sent to HU was (in one form or another) had been sent to other ROones Tech communities, then I would say that they were sorry for getting caught. Otherwise, I think this was a one-off from someone other than Brian and that he is sorry this ever happened. The other option is that this was a test. They sent this email to a semi-large tech channel to gauge the response of the community just to see what would happen in this exact situation. When they realized this was going to burn them hard, Nvidia walked back to do damage control. End of experiment.

    RickbearcatRickbearcatAcum 12 Zile
  • they are not allowed to have "opinions" , just like they are trying to enforce here , personally , i don't care either lmao .you think what you think and have great day doing it : ) i think people SHOULD be able say ANYTHING they want .saying something doesn't mean people listen rite ? IF you cansor then it seems you probably shouldn't be doing what you are doing ?

    Master PasswordMaster PasswordAcum 14 Zile
  • obviously apologized BECAUSE they got caught BUT did they really learn ? learn to be better ? or be better at being shity ?

    Master PasswordMaster PasswordAcum 14 Zile
  • I mean how many people in the comments section of youtube ever apologise? it practically never happens as they have nothing to lose. We and they need to remember Nvidia are just a much of people, with all the same potential fualts as us. No doubt from their achievements many of them are running on god-mode, thinking they are better than others because they have shown to be highly valued. It happens all the time. It's a cut-throat business, and people are under great stress to do whatever it takes, it's typical at some point someone would try to swing there weight. I'm only surprised others are surprised, I mean Nvidia have shown their morality already, paying companies off to cripple there competitors benchmarks. It's the same box of backdoor tricks.

    Louis BrowneLouis BrowneAcum 14 Zile
  • Blah blah you AMD suck ups

    Jesse WintersJesse WintersAcum 14 Zile
  • Is Cyberpunk 2077 the new Anthem?!

    MelkavarMelkavarAcum 15 Zile
  • Luke: We should do a poll Linus: So you have chosen death

    MrBrockHeinzMrBrockHeinzAcum 15 Zile
  • CDPR let me down with cyber punk. When a developer includes a perk that allows knife throwing you’d think there be some reusable knives. But even then you’d think there would at least be a cheap and easily craftable knife. Again nope the only crafted throwing knife requires 9 in crafting stat and it’s rare. At that point the only thing I can assume is CDPR didn’t really care.

    Neal RobinsonNeal RobinsonAcum 16 Zile
  • The first letter was not written by Brian... as I read the letter you can tell a chines person wrote it.. nothing against chines person just you can tell.. how they think how they talk.. it was a chines person high up...

    Jason RobinsonJason RobinsonAcum 17 Zile
  • Big tec playing dumb people and the market its not rocket science just like you said in your last video about Nvidia and the last five years getting worse. This channel as well as others should stop partnering with people they say the same five year thing about. Its like saying im not racist but I do all my business with the USSR.

    james bondjames bondAcum 17 Zile
  • In 2077, what makes someone a criminal? Getting caught. *cyberpunk music start playing

    AxeaAxeaAcum 17 Zile
  • Have we not learned from No Man's Sky?

    twertygotwertygoAcum 17 Zile
  • Oh get over yourselves and move on

    RCAF TWRCAF TWAcum 18 Zile
  • Please reajust for wider screens :)

    wisico640wisico640Acum 19 Zile
  • Why do we care that Nvidia are apologizing to tech-tubers? Nobody can get cards. I can find an RTX3080 for $1600, but that's about it.

    Shady BradyShady BradyAcum 19 Zile
  • It is a shame that not more competitors inhabite the industry

    Jake WoodsJake WoodsAcum 19 Zile
  • I don't like or dislike a game developer, I like or dislike games....

    Bernd KemmereitBernd KemmereitAcum 20 Zile
  • I think the CCP wrote the press release.

    Kurenai6942Kurenai6942Acum 20 Zile
  • This whole story made exactly one thing with me: until now, I solely decided what graphics card to buy next out of facts that mattered to me and my needs. But from now on, I will defenitely take the behaviour of Nvidia in consideration! That will not be supported with my hard earned money! Thank you for bringing this all up and your support @Linus and @LTTteam

    NasghatNasghatAcum 21 o Zi
  • go see a real comparison in next gen effects, HU one is literally a joke and I'm not surprised considering they are really tyring to boycott nvidia: ​h_ttps://roones.info/news/mpShom19maRvr4I/video&feature=emb_logo_​

    GIGGI'GIGGI'Acum 21 o Zi
  • I think what everyone is really wondering is what did Luke get for Christmas in all those presents?

    Troy ArthurTroy ArthurAcum 21 o Zi
  • 29:53 To be fair, you're mixing up two entities. CD Project is a game publisher that owns GoG, and has a studio CD Project Red that is a whole another team. Cyberpunk issues and Devotion issues are caused by completely different people.

    tokkyuuresshatokkyuuresshaAcum 22 Zile
  • play cyberpunk on stadia

    claud rapozaclaud rapozaAcum 22 Zile
  • I feel sorry for the CCP on this matter, but I would still support any developer to have share their opinion. In China, the CCP effectively is the government. I would not mind have versions with and without the controversial material.

    Ubi QuitiousUbi QuitiousAcum 22 Zile
  • I am still in awe that this is a thing. Did this Brian character at NVidia read the letter? Is it actually his signature (wet or digital)? Any chance it is some person at NVidia over zealous about their contribution or child product? I don’t know if powers that be at NVidia expect this Brian guy to fall on his own sword or have some other fall person in mind. In any case, this looks really bad for NVidia.

    Ubi QuitiousUbi QuitiousAcum 22 Zile
  • It may have simply been a test. More like a little kid testing boundaries. Nvidia being the kid, media being the parent.

    Stathi NightingaleStathi NightingaleAcum 22 Zile
  • Brian may not be @nvidia if it was actually him in the first place..... I think he was on vacation personally.

    Stathi NightingaleStathi NightingaleAcum 22 Zile
  • Can we talk about how Luke compared Nvidia's media strong arm to a lord/serf relationship, and Linus decided to contrast it against straight up child abuse. Makes you wonder...

    SaulsieBerriesSaulsieBerriesAcum 23 Zile
  • Heard CDPROJECTRED is deleting, or doing something to negative user reviews LOL!

    jiri veselyjiri veselyAcum 24 Zile
  • Chinese Nationalists get butt-hurt en mass!

    John DeWerdJohn DeWerdAcum 24 Zile
  • Personally: I think the first one sounded contrite. I think he meant it, or at least he wrote to try and make us he was sincere.

    John DeWerdJohn DeWerdAcum 24 Zile
  • RTXgate

    Chris JarramChris JarramAcum 24 Zile
  • I demand an RTX 3090 by means of apology for having my opinion as a gamer grossly misrepresented by Nvidia

    Chris JarramChris JarramAcum 24 Zile
  • of the issues with cyberpunk.. the city feeling dead is definitely not one of them 0.o and "looks horrible on old hardware" ..wha? of course shitty hardware = shitty graphics lol so much stuff going on in the background, so many little stories and interactions between people

    Frosty.Frosty.Acum 25 Zile
  • arm is a british company so they cant they own it

    Mark CaseyMark CaseyAcum 25 Zile
  • I've worked with Nvidia before as part of a collaboration, they were SO up themselves it beggared belief! In the end we walked away...

    marblesharkmarblesharkAcum 26 Zile
  • The CCP has people who skim the internet and complain to companies through things like Twitter, Facebook etc. and directly email as customers that upset about products the go after them. Be careful Linus or you will be put in the gulag.

    AaronAaronAcum 26 Zile
  • Even with the apology, do you think that the whole exchange won't have a profound effect on up & coming tech reviewers who are trying to break into the inner circle (those who get industry support)?

    kathrynckkathrynckAcum 26 Zile
  • I agreed with you on your previous WAN show re the awful email. The guy has apologised though. Let it go. People can actually make mistakes and further bashing on this subject could potentially cause a job loss for someone, for all we know, might have had a shitty day

    BluetonicUK28BluetonicUK28Acum 27 Zile
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    rim685cen ;nir'sucrim685cen ;nir'sucAcum 27 Zile
  • I perfected reading with MAD magazine’s

    acrscottacrscottAcum 27 Zile
  • I think it was complete bullshit when he said I hope you will share this with your fans. He just wanted to save face. Screw Nvidia!!

    Cody MooreCody MooreAcum 28 Zile
  • 30:00 No 1A protects all speech here in the USA privet and public. ITS FREE SPEECH!!! Not freedom to a point. Its absolute.

    driftkids13driftkids13Acum 28 Zile
  • 34:00 ish mark You also have to remember they have that social credit system in place. Decrying CDPR and the makers of devotion will give positive social credit. So it's a bit of a shitty situation on that.

    KillTyrantKillTyrantAcum 28 Zile
    • Something else of note. Paper money isn't legal tender there anymore. They have moved to a completely paperless monetary system their. I would imagine it's not that hard to completely lock you out of all your money if you dont tow the ccp line

      KillTyrantKillTyrantAcum 28 Zile
  • Please, don't protect BDR. According to his colleagues from NVIDIA he IS an asshole.

    Andrey SotnikovAndrey SotnikovAcum 28 Zile
  • Yes , I have a problem! but I'm starting to think it is listening to, too many , reviewers and influencers, and all you other youtubers!!!! I could have bought a system cheaper, which would have served my purpose, probably 6 months ago, (perhaps a little longer!, but not much)!!! But everybody said wait, this is going to be big, your going to get "diamond encrusted, GPU's and CPU's, that give 6000 fps, and light speed raytracing, and the CPU's are going to shoot flame out of your case when you power up your PC!!!!" Starting to wonder if all the big Corporations, are leading All the computer, based, ROonesrs, for want of a better word down the same track, too their own ends? To use a simile, the corporations, are the land owners, youtubers are the shepherd's , and we are are the sheep!!!! I suppose the wolves are the scalpers????? So, after watching Zen 2 CPU's drop ,then now about15-20%more expensive, GPU's now not available, as well CPU's, MOBO's etc !!!. What am I to think about all this wonderful advice? actually I think this was boiling away just pre- covid-19, so drop that as an excuse! What I wanted to build ,was a Zen 2 based system and be available for some upgrades.(based around an R5 3600). so they are not available or to expensive. So what an R5 2600?? For price? PAUL ,not directed at you, but, without checking, think you probably said the same? And I check all the people you consider reputable !!! So without doing a crash course on intel parts, and not really expecting it to be cheaper, AMD is still the way to go, except you can't buy it!!!!

    Andrew BowlesAndrew BowlesAcum 29 Zile
  • That apology still seems half-assed, blaming those actions on lockdown fatigue, like absolutely nobody else is going through that. So, you can throw independent reviewers under the bus, so long as you're tired.

    Dylan RichardsDylan RichardsAcum 29 Zile
  • more like F A M(Microsoft) G

    LukaroastLukaroastAcum 29 Zile
  • CHINA government = bad.

    TotalgamingwarsTotalgamingwarsAcum 29 Zile
  • I guess someone should be fired...

    Sani GuroSani GuroAcum 29 Zile
  • please review the MSI 1660 super it says it has raytracing in gpu-z and offers it in games i know its not an rtx card but it works and i would love a review on why :/

    ArticParadoxArticParadoxAcum 29 Zile
  • Book idea: family made up of computer parts that together make a full family Everyone has things their good and bad at but working together and sharing is good Wait patiently for family to come together (dont pre-order). Might be cool?

    Lucas ELucas EAcum 29 Zile
  • A fuck-up to this extent would surely warrant a phone call as a backup piece of communications, right? They stepped on a massive landmine here - and they should be much more contrite.

    tcpnetworkstcpnetworksAcum 29 Zile
  • Linus new THUG LIFE Look rofl :) or is it instead of boys in the hood it's his version of Linus In The Hood rofl :)

    Cutthroat Mc RageCutthroat Mc RageAcum lună
  • Pitch idea: Pandas! Make a series of tech panda children's books. 🐼 or Werewolves!

    Aaron GriffinAaron GriffinAcum lună
  • Armed processors? So they have guns?

    Aaron GriffinAaron GriffinAcum lună
  • The collectors edition of the console was the PS5 which Cyberpunk 2077 ran fine on, and not the PS4, that meme was basically a lie.

    BrumanBrumanAcum lună
  • LTT Group should make a Unbiased Game review channel would be awesome i watch every single of your channel your guy influence my choice a lot

    goldark3goldark3Acum lună
  • Games are more than just visual wizardry and even that was very glitchy. Really miss the innovative games of PS2..

    Syed Ahmad QusoiriSyed Ahmad QusoiriAcum lună
  • linus lowkey shilling for the CCP and not understanding free speech

    chpoitchpoitAcum lună
  • .....u got your Apology! now u need to dictate it....? YAWN

    John PatrikareasJohn PatrikareasAcum lună
  • I do find the results of the poll interesting tho. The opinion on CDPR has actually improved for 20%. Why? The reasons for an improvement of opinion are basically 0 so I suppose all of those people just trolled with their vote?

    SpitFireSpitFireAcum lună
  • Cyberpunk 2077 is fun. Getting that 40-80fps maxed out at 1080p. There are bugs. Like flying across the map from jumping on a wall and then dying. Or jumping off a 2 story building to slam into the ground and die. Or putting clothes on to run around naked. Or it freezing but still able to reload from quicksave. Other than that. Good game so far. 30+ hrs of playing. Playing PC with 1080 ti. 3900x. 32gb ram. I think the story is pretty good. Spent most of my time doing side quests and raiding crime scenes and gangs. Level 17 over 30 street cred. And just now on Act 2.

    Ascension 669Ascension 669Acum lună
  • 48:40 I honestly though Linus was asking Luke that question, for a second.

    Matt BoothMatt BoothAcum lună
  • In defense of BDR, I used to work for a company that shall remained unnamed because I signed an NDA but I had authorization to send emails in the CEOs behalf so who knows, maybe that email didn't even come from him.

    Steve DiceSteve DiceAcum lună
  • lol chinaaaa

    jeff steevesjeff steevesAcum lună
  • I am still buying AMD.

    Real HIFI HelpReal HIFI HelpAcum lună
  • Sorey? lol

    Brian EvangelistaBrian EvangelistaAcum lună
  • Apology cuz busted of course

    NatsuMichiruNatsuMichiruAcum lună
  • @Luke - AttorneyS General is the plural of Attorney General (West Wing FTW) :D

    Jon SJon SAcum lună
  • 35:00 (roughly) If CDPR had just banned the game on GOG in China, HK and Taiwan, this wouldn't be a problem. the problem is gamers worldwide are being censored by the chinese govt because of their extreme nationalism.

    Jack - sadclvbbangersJack - sadclvbbangersAcum lună
  • About NVIDOA, they are sorry they got cought. They had also a GPP thing going, and they reverced that 2 weeks after it was HUGE news. NVIDIA is and alway's will be a shady company.

    Mr AMDMr AMDAcum lună
  • this is kinda making me think Linus is the ISSUE not Nvidia.

    H DOGH DOGAcum lună
  • The whole Nvidia deal wreaks of incompetent management making him writing a shady ass email then the same fucking manager making him take all the blowback even though he told them it was going to be a disaster. Sure, it could just be the one dude in the wrong head space trying to make his boss happy but it really beggars belief.

    Gief ReplaysGief ReplaysAcum lună
  • on the censorship topic, China employs thousands of social media posters to promote CCP values on forums around the world

    Thomas KThomas KAcum lună
  • Do ABC's of VR =D

    Raymond JohnsonRaymond JohnsonAcum lună
  • I actually don't like Hardware Unboxed due to the way they cover laptops, but this is disgusting........ SHAME NVIDIA!!!

    darron patteldarron pattelAcum lună
  • 3DFX Should reinvent under RISC5

    Raymond JohnsonRaymond JohnsonAcum lună
  • Remember when Physx was huge and so many games tried so hard to add to their games. It was amazing. Now no one cares about basic physx that almost all games are stale asf other than Battlefield. COD NEVER progressed or kept with it(pathetic). Ray Tracing will die 100%.

    That0neGuyGamesThat0neGuyGamesAcum lună
  • SOMEBODY GET MATPAT

    Ryan RobertsRyan RobertsAcum lună
  • Luke went much quieter after that poll bit. . Linus, stop acting like a fuck head for no reason.

    Evil ChameleonEvil ChameleonAcum lună
  • Really, you think you got Them? you really didn't get it did you? Dumb reviewers. NVIDIA got free publicity thanks to you. When you talked about NVIDIA you talked about how good their products were, and all of the features, and the only thing you were outraged about was about their policies. Since they sort of apologized on that, then it's business as usual, people can go back and buy their fabulous products and blah blah... And thanks for all the free publicity and the buzz you freely generated. All that they did was on purpose, and you fell for it. But you "got" them, congratulations.

    cocococoAcum lună
  • Sorry because they got CAUGHT. And ask him if he sent it without someone else looking at it otherwise this is just conjecture.

    hoser hosehoser hoseAcum lună
  • I think the moral of the story is like a typical millennial Linus likes to be outraged for attention

    Rick LansdonRick LansdonAcum lună
  • I could understand all the frustration with Nvidia if the channels were buying their own cards and Nvidia was trying to silence the reviewer's views, effectively silencing free speech. But, to expect to receive free hardware and then give negative reviews on it but still expect free hardware is being entitled. Would you continue to support a business/channel that badmouthed you as a company and vision or use that resources on someone giving you positive business flow? In the end they are a business. I personally agree that raytracing is the future and needs to be pushed. We're hitting a technological wall with raster graphics. It's why cg effects and animated films have gone completely over to raytracing. I really believe that Nvidia felt his channel failed to understand that and many aspects of where the graphics industry is going. I don't believe it's the negative review he gave but the lack of understanding of industry trends and technological development. They were not going to get his channel silenced or shut down. They were simply not going to provide free merchandise to someone they felt didn't have a good understanding on the subject. The apology was definitely Nvidia making a business decision and not sincere. I'm sure that behind closed doors they are fuming at the entitled mentality and backlash. How many channels would exist without free hardware when they were starting out? Fair reviews from channels that understanding what they are reviewing are what Nvidia want to invest in. They simply didn't see his channel as worth investing in.

    Shawn McCownShawn McCownAcum lună
  • The Development team at CDRed were not the issue, it was the new board that pushed this through unfinished. PC version is ALSO AFFECTED BADLY and what is more important is that STEAM are refusing to budge on refunds. Hard copy refunds only, STEAM playing hardball and saying nope.

    El Turf - ManStickCarEl Turf - ManStickCarAcum lună
  • There is LTT there is like! This comment is sponsored by LTTstore.com

    HannibalSHannibalSAcum lună
  • I'm really enjoying Cyberpunk.

    proinseas O'Kielligproinseas O'KielligAcum lună
  • You must do a techquickie video on ORM (online reputation management)

    Matthew WichtMatthew WichtAcum lună
  • Idk about the rest of the gaming community, but I do know that PSaccess won't stop gushing about Ray tracing on the ps5, so I think there is some truth to what Nvidia said about it being the future, but I don't watch hardware reviews to see how it could theoretically perform on games releasing in 2021 and beyond, i care how it performs right now, and right now most games don't use it.

    YtinasniiableYtinasniiableAcum lună
  • Hey Linus, some time you have try to acknowledge that you are not the center of the world. Only because you can not beliefe people are getting very angry about besmirching their political leader, it doesn’t happen. I bet you that there are more people upset in China for besmirching winny poo that there are people living in Canada. By the way some people can’t believe you are upset about companies not upholding reviewers god given right to free review examples because these companies believe they will not get favorable reviews of their products. Just for the record, Nvidia and the Chinese government can fuck themselves and Fall of a cliff.

    Voll HorstVoll HorstAcum lună
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